MAKAROV SHOOTERS...

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MAKAROV SHOOTERS...

Postby uniquedot » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:35 pm

Look what ranchdog is working on. Post #9 in the thread!

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/bulle ... -mold.html

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Postby base871 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:08 pm

Cool. I never knew there was a lack of bullet molds for that caliber. I reload 9x18, and use cast lead bullets (Berry's I think). I dont reload it that much as mak is running about 9 to 11 bucks a box around here. Plus I dont shoot it much, just got the dies for 15 bucks and figured, why not? I trim luger brass which is plentiful.

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Postby motopic » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:09 pm

Yes theres a lack of molds because theres really only ever been oh 2-3 bullets for the caliber. either 93,95 or 100gr all round nose. The rnd is limited by OAL and the feedramps of most maks. Hornady makes a HP, but most say they never expand.

I would pay $60 for that mold. Since its probably the only cal I would melt lead for, it doesn't justify buying a lubrisizer, and only 2 manufs make a .366 punch/sizer too.

Then again, Missouri bullet sells lead cast for like $36 for 500 so...

I love my PA-63 in 9mmMak.

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Postby daboone » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:18 pm

RD is a member here and was posting regularly a while back. I got a 32ACP mold from him and it is fantastic. I'd certainly add his 9x18 mold to my collection for 60 bucks.!

In the mean time I'm casting and shooting the Lee 365-95-1R. For me it and my Bulgarian Mak it shoots just fine. I get about 2500 loads out of a pound of bulleye, a 1000 round from a brick of primers, lead is scrounged, I'm retired, so it cost me maybe 3 cent per round. For less than 2 bucks for 50 round is the price I'm paying to play with my Mak. Both my daughters and a daughter-in-law carry Maks and I'm "required" to provide them with ammo. They prefer the Mak to the Beretta Tomcat. Your should see just how well the Lee boolit mushrooms in a wet phonebook.

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Postby uniquedot » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:32 pm

motopic wrote:Yes theres a lack of molds because theres really only ever been oh 2-3 bullets for the caliber. either 93,95 or 100gr all round nose.


Several years ago i bought some Russian 9x18's that were 120 grain hollow points and the primers and bullets were sealed. The fascinating thing about this ammo was that the bullets mushroomed violently and looked like black talons after being fired. I can't find this stuff anymore, but it performed flawlessly with no fte's or ftf's. They were marketed under the silver bear name, but i think the only hollow points i have seen in the past few years from them were 95 grain bullets.

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Postby base871 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:55 am

Yup Ive seen some heavy grain 9x18. Even Blazer makes 110gr +P ammo, however, It is not recommended to shoot that stuff out of milsurps. But, Who has seen a "modern" production pistol in 9x18? I know its recommended NOT to go above 95gr in a PA63. Never had luck with brown bear JHP's either. Would not chamber. I did try the +P stuff in it once and I thought the slide was going to rip off the frame! Wore out the slide pretty well in just 7 rounds. Oh well, they were 99 bucks then anyway.

I load my P64 with 93gr lead bullets, and 4.5 gr of Unique. Works well.

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Postby helg » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:56 am

That is great news. I remember the thread

http://forums.loadmastervideos.com/foru ... php?t=1102

where the mold has been discussed. The shape is exactly what I would like to have.

I am going to check ranchgodoutdoors frequently to find whether the mold is available.

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Postby Sparky45 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:01 pm

Hey, there's a MaKarov listed on Armslist, I think in Indiana if anyone is interested.

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Postby myloadm61 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:16 pm

What Maks are everyone shooting, the east german ones, the pa63, pa64
Thinking about buying one and almost did today until I got to wondering about the alloy frame on the pa63.
Any thoughts from you mak shooters?

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Postby helg » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:11 pm

myloadm61 wrote:What Maks are everyone shooting, the east german ones, the pa63, pa64
Thinking about buying one and almost did today until I got to wondering about the alloy frame on the pa63.
Any thoughts from you mak shooters?
I shoot Russians double-stack and Bulgarians. They are of original Makarov design. Standard 22LR conversion kit, and 8-round mags fit them all.

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Postby base871 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:45 pm

myloadm61 wrote:What Maks are everyone shooting, the east german ones, the pa63, pa64
Thinking about buying one and almost did today until I got to wondering about the alloy frame on the pa63.
Any thoughts from you mak shooters?


I used to have a PA63 and traded it like an idiot. Shoot a P64 now. I like the P64 better. Yes you lose 1 rd and it is a bit heavier, but I like the smaller size and it seems to be built stronger. $150 seems to be the price with holster, cleaning rod and 2 mags. I got mine through AIM with my C&R. I have found spare mags and they are pricey (35-55 bucks).

The trigger pull is nice but there is some creep. DA is terrible (about 26lbs).

PA63's are cool and lightweight for concealed carry, but not built as tough as a P64. A bit larger also. Better DA pull over the P64.

Both field strip the same way, and seem to be built almost identical.

And, both are not true Makarovs, they just happened to chambered for the 9x18 round. They are based on the Walther PPK design.

If I had to choose between the 2, Id say I like the P64 better. Its cheaper as of now, unless J&G gets more PA63's and sells them for $99 again. I saw a PA63 used at the shop today for 250, and thats about what they are going for in private sales locally on backpage.com also. Im still seeing P64's for 150ish.

Id say keep the PA63 if you got one, since they have gone up 150% since 2009! And buy a P64. For 150 bucks, you can't really go wrong!

Being a BIG milsurp collector, I try to buy anything while its cheap. It may never go up much in value much, but then again it might. ALOT. Look at the Russian M44. Have not seen one under 150 in 2 or so years. Got mine 3 years ago for 69 bucks. Thats not a big increase but what say 30 years from now when my son owns it?

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Postby uniquedot » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:56 pm

myloadm61 wrote:What Maks are everyone shooting


East German and Russian single stacks. Still kicking myself for not buying the double stack Russian imports when they were $100.00 NIB.

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Postby base871 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:09 pm

I'd love to get my hands on an E. German. I hear as far as quality goes they are the best.

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Postby myloadm61 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:24 am

I just bid on a couple of the Bulgarian ones. Will see what happens. Really like the looks of the P-63, but wonder about the alloy frame.
The Russians are really nice that are on GB but pretty expensive.

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Postby daboone » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:01 am

base871 wrote:I'd love to get my hands on an E. German. I hear as far as quality goes they are the best.


I have purchased a Russian, E German, and and 2 Bulgarian. My kids have them (2 daughters and a D-I-L all carry.) except a Bulgarian which is mine. I've played with all of them. The E German may have a better finish but I see nor feel no difference in performance, handling or on target.
The Maks are seriously reliable and accurate shoother no matter which one you have in your hands.
BTW I get much better accuracy with cast bullets than the copper condoned bullets.


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