Cast bullets for .30 Carbine

Discussions of bullet casting, sizing, etc.

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WyrTwister
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Postby WyrTwister » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:37 pm

Reload wrote:Thanks gentlemen. I have about 3/4 of a bottle of spray lube I picked up at a gun show. I think it's RCBS, I'll give it a whirl.
WyrTwister wrote:Are the Penn bullets jacketed or lead ? RNBB - Round Nose Bevel ? Base ? Do not remember hearing of those ?



Cast, round nose bevel base. I put a link up to Penn Bullets in another thread in this forum. Nice website, and he has some good info on the lube he uses and the different leads for different rounds. Good prices too, $70/k for the Carbine round. He can ship up to 70lbs. of lead in any mix for $10.70 via USPS flat rate. I'm going to try his .45ACP 200gr SWC and see how they compare to the ones I get locally.

I've emailed the guy back and forth about the M1 round. He said he's been casting this bullet for 25 years with zero reports of leading or any problems. It is rated to 2000FPS, he recommends loading to 1800FPS using the 10.3 grains of 2400.

I recently ran across some info that said 2400 is the original M1 Carbine powder and has been around since the early 1900's. Lee lists it in their manual. I like the small charge, less powder = more round to the pound!

I'm going to load some @ 10gr and see how the do. If they're accurate and cycle the gun that's fine. I don't need 1800FPS to shoot paper.


I think WC820 is what Uncle Sugar used in ,30 Carbine Ball ammo . I had 4 pounds of this FINE grained ball powder . But I used it up in .30 Carbine , .30-30 , .357 & .44 Mag . H110 was suppose to originally be surplus WC820 . Or , at least , that is what I have read .

I bought AA # 9 to replace the WC820 . It too is a FINE grained ball powder .

Best I remember , 2400 is a flake powder ? I do not think Hercules / Alliant has sold / made any ball powder . I am out , so I can not look .

I have loaded Unique for .30 Carbine , but had to go to a max load to get it to cycle . This is just working from memoey , some where a tad over 6 grains , but do not take my word for it . Please look it up .

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Wyr

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Postby Reload » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:55 pm

I have some Accurate #2, but don't usually shoot AA powders. I can get all of the Alliants, H, W, etc wholesale, but have to pay full retail for AA so I just find something else that'll work.

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Postby WyrTwister » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:10 pm

Reload wrote:I have some Accurate #2, but don't usually shoot AA powders. I can get all of the Alliants, H, W, etc wholesale, but have to pay full retail for AA so I just find something else that'll work.



AA # 9 , Winchester 296 & H110 are said to all be similar .

I am currently using IMR 4227 .

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Postby myloadm61 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:17 pm

W-296 and H-110 are exactly the same powder. AA#9 is close to their burn rate, but not exactly the same.

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Postby Reload » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:59 pm

WyrTwister wrote: I think WC820 is what Uncle Sugar used in ,30 Carbine Ball ammo .


Could be. I did some searches trying to substantiate either one, and found another that claims H110 is the original!

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Postby WyrTwister » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:53 pm

Reload wrote:
WyrTwister wrote: I think WC820 is what Uncle Sugar used in ,30 Carbine Ball ammo .


Could be. I did some searches trying to substantiate either one, and found another that claims H110 is the original!


Well , kind of , maybe . The original H110 has been said to have been government surplus WC820 that Hodgdon bought in bulk and packaged as H110.

Check out the background on Hodgdon at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgdon_Powder_Company

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Postby Reload » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:37 am

Yeah, I had seen that as well. Two problems here: It's Wikipedia, which isn't the most trustworthy thing on the net, and it doesn't mention the .30 Carbine. If you read it you'll see Hodgdon did nothing before WWII, and they pretty much sold surplus DuPont after that until supplies ran out.

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Postby WyrTwister » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:56 am

Reload wrote:Yeah, I had seen that as well. Two problems here: It's Wikipedia, which isn't the most trustworthy thing on the net, and it doesn't mention the .30 Carbine. If you read it you'll see Hodgdon did nothing before WWII, and they pretty much sold surplus DuPont after that until supplies ran out.


Yep , he went into the business selling surplus powder .

Check out

http://www.gibrass.com/gunpowder.html

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Postby WyrTwister » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:04 pm

I have loaded several different cast bullets in the Carbine . Both cas checked and not . As long as I keep the diameter up , they all seem to shoot OK .

Most of these I or my cousin have the molds & we cast ourselves .

Some one mentioned .45 ACP . I cast a 230 grain RNL that looks like the USGI Ball FMJ . It feeds fine .

I also cast the Lee 200 & 250 grain RNFP . I have loaded this in both .45 LC and .45 ACP .

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