Pro autodisk and CFE223 on LLM

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Jal5
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Pro autodisk and CFE223 on LLM

Postby Jal5 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:42 pm

In setting up for 223 Rem i get a lot of spilled powder as the brass moves up into the long rifle die. I cycled 3-4 cases and 3 did this. I was looking up watching the press work and it seems that the case doesn't go up into the die directly on center. I think the case hits the insert in the die in an odd way causing the spill. This is a new cleaned powder thru die. The press indexes normally and it's set up with three dies and no priming. 1. Decapper without a pin. 2. Empty 3. powder drop 4. Bullet seater.
Any ideas?

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Re: Pro autodisk and CFE223 on LLM

Postby erle » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:49 pm

Jal5 wrote:I think the case hits the insert in the die in an odd way causing the spill.


I remember having the same problem in setting up my .223 dies. Best I can remember is that I had the powder through die adjusted wrong & powder would begin dropping before the case mouth had made a good seal against the insert. I had to adjust the die & insert until the timing was just right.

Hope yours turns out to be something minor also.

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Postby Jal5 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:16 pm

I'm pretty sure that is what's happening. It's definitely as the case enters the die and no being centered just right that small mouth starts the powder drop before the case is fully in place to catch it all. What a mess! No leaking on the disks even with double disk setup. I will readjust that die and try again. I might double check the insert to make sure there isn't a burr catching the mouth of the case too.

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Postby Jal5 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:32 pm

It took two more powder mess ups before i realized the die was not adjusted right. Think i got it now. Still learning the quirks of this press

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Postby Jal5 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:07 pm

Update- still getting powder spills. I have the disks set so that the case travels to the top of its travel the disk is over the hole to drop. It seems like the die insert isn't making a good seal with the case. Not sure what to do next.

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Postby Chickenthief » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:34 pm

Take out the insert and look it over.
I had to grind my 45 ACP one to ensure it "cought" the case.
Maybe its catching the case crooked and spilling powder because of that.

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Postby Jal5 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:42 pm

The insert in the long rifle die looks different. I will post a pic of it. I have powder thru expander die for 45 acp and it looks like yours expands and moves up to release powder.

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Postby Chickenthief » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:21 pm

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What if the powder bridges your through bushing and the reversing of the case/resetting of the powder measure makes the rest spill?

Maybe some internal polishing is due?

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Postby erle » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:44 pm

Bottle-neck cases are different from the straight-wall pistol cases. I ran into this with .223 as well as 357sig. The .22 is so small it has to have a small drop tube that does not expand the case. Rifle case expansion is done in the sizing die.

Here is what you need: (1) LONG CHARGING DIE #90194 (NOT a Universal Charging Die). (2) .22 CAL DROP TUBE #SE1253, to be used inside the Long Charging Die.

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Postby Jal5 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:31 am

I'm using tbe lee long charging die 90194 with the insert that came with it. I'm assuming that insert is the correct one

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Postby erle » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:01 am

Jal5 wrote:I'm using tbe lee long charging die 90194 with the insert that came with it. I'm assuming that insert is the correct one


That insert is not the one for .223. It will let powder spill around the case mouth. You need to order insert # SE1253 which is made just for the .22 cal. Worked for me!

Look at your insert. If it has an expanding nipple on one end, it is wrong one.
The nipple made for .223 use is flat on top & bottom. Make sure the one you order is the one made for .22 cal, called "Drop Tube .22 cal."

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Postby El Hombre » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:00 pm

erle wrote:
Jal5 wrote:I'm using tbe lee long charging die 90194 with the insert that came with it. I'm assuming that insert is the correct one


That insert is not the one for .223. It will let powder spill around the case mouth. You need to order insert # SE1253 which is made just for the .22 cal. Worked for me!

Look at your insert. If it has an expanding nipple on one end, it is wrong one.
The nipple made for .223 use is flat on top & bottom. Make sure the one you order is the one made for .22 cal, called "Drop Tube .22 cal."


The insert in my charging die is cut to 90 degrees top and bottom; but it is bored 1/2" deep into the larger diameter end, and has a conical bore in the small end. The conical bore is same size as a 223 case mouth. I looked on the net for another insert, but this is the only one I found. Where did you find the other one you mentioned?


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Postby El Hombre » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:44 pm


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Postby tcook » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:58 pm

Those 2 links show the same part number, but the images are definitely different. Lee's site looks like just a cylinder, Titan's shows it with the step to a larger size (this is the one I have, also).

My problem with the Auto Drum is the neck of the 223 cases get "crushed" (rounded inward). Using the same rifle charging die with the Auto Disk, this doesn't happen. I chalked it up to stronger spring pressure in the drum, and resigned to just use the Disk for 223, but if there is indeed a specific drop tube, maybe it'll work.


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