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Jal5
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Postby Jal5 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:14 pm

the insert I have looks like a cylinder and it is ground to a conical shape on one side with an opening equal in size to the mouth of the 223 case. the drop tube from the powder measure fits into the other end. This insert does not have a step in the exterior like the picture you showed. Joe

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Postby Chickenthief » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:02 pm

Here's what my F4 rifle die looks like.

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Postby Chickenthief » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:03 pm

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Postby El Hombre » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:26 pm

tcook wrote:Those 2 links show the same part number, but the images are definitely different. Lee's site looks like just a cylinder, Titan's shows it with the step to a larger size (this is the one I have, also).

My problem with the Auto Drum is the neck of the 223 cases get "crushed" (rounded inward). Using the same rifle charging die with the Auto Disk, this doesn't happen. I chalked it up to stronger spring pressure in the drum, and resigned to just use the Disk for 223, but if there is indeed a specific drop tube, maybe it'll work.


This is where a small lathe comes in handy; I would bore the conical surface that contacts the case mouth so it's a few thousandths of an inch bigger than the case mouth diameter, and have it terminate in a flat bottom that will just push straight down on the case. No more squeezing the mouth. Easy way to visualize this; imagine the steel is soft as cheese. The brass comes up and cuts a tube an eighth inch deep and pulls out the cheese slug and leaves a flat bottom. That's what I'd machine.


I have Auto Disk measures and will be ordering an Auto Drum from Midway at the end of April to take advantage of my birthday money off deal fromo Larry.

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Postby tcook » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:35 pm

Yup, that's what I have. Must be the stronger spring on the Drum. No problem, though, the double disk kit works good with H335, so I'll just leave that one for 223. The Auto drum works great for all the other calibers I load for.

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El Hombre - I may look into a machinist doing something like that. Apartment living doesn't lend itself well to shop tools! One day, I hope to have a work space with all the goodies.

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Postby carload9 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:56 pm

Just get mm's anealing machine and your done.

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Postby Jal5 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:31 pm

Ordered that 22 cal drop tube from leeprecision. No charge just pay shipping. Nice.

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Postby rowe_s » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:39 am

carload9 wrote:Just get mm's anealing machine and your done.

I checked MM's website. Didn't find anything about an annealing machine.

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Postby carload9 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:20 pm

Well, their ready. He'll be here soon. Give me a call

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Postby Horseman » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:07 pm

carload9 wrote:Just get mm's anealing machine and your done.



What does an annealing machine have to do with the original question and problem...? Will that take care of the powder die issue?

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Postby Jal5 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:23 pm

Waiting for the die insert. Meanwhile i received the case feed parts from Todd websterz on here. Wow these things are amazing. Cannot wait to try them!

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Postby Jal5 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:32 pm

This saga continues. Lee sent me the SE1253 whic is exactly the one I had. Nothing like the one shown by el hombre or chicken thief.
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Postby Chickenthief » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:24 pm

Tell you what mate.
I doubt i will ever go progressive with the .223 and i whipped up a copy of the bit in question, so if you pop me your shipping addy i'll put the genuine Lee unobtainable part in the mail tomorrow.

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Postby Jal5 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:47 pm

Thanks for that great help. PM TO YOU. Joe

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Postby Jal5 » Wed May 11, 2016 10:01 pm

Thanks to Henrik i now have the unobtainable part the die insert. Now to get the powder drop correct on the auto disk. If the pistol reloading had been so problematic I may have quit on this LM.


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