80% polymer ar lower recievers

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80% polymer ar lower recievers

Postby DOC H » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:37 am

has any one checked out these new 80% ar lower receiver kits with drilling jig you can buy WITHOUT ffl ? is it a good idea? thinking about purchasing a few.

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Postby Hawkmoon » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:18 pm

Last I knew the BATFE had shut down that operation because they claimed they were more than 80% completed.

You can buy alloy 80% receivers, and jigs to complete the machining.

One source: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/ ... ?a=1681932

The jigs are reusable. Once you have them, receivers are cheap: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/ ... ?a=1564504

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80% polymer ar lower recievers

Postby DOC H » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:42 am

There is still a company called JAMES MADISON TACTICAL selling polymer lowers for $99.oo bucks or 80% LOWER WITH LPK for $169.00. looks like the polymers would be easier to work with. and cheaper if there strong enough.

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Postby dcorrick » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:54 pm

I bought an 80% lower in both anodized aluminum, and the polymer one as well. I bought the jig to machine them out. I never got around to cutting them out yet though. I bought mine both from aresarmor dot com. I waited almost 9 months for the first anodized aluminum unit. The polymer one I had in about a week. They just had the polymer ones on sale for about $49 IIRC. Hopefully I will finish them up this winter. I also bought two lower parts kit from them for about $39 each. Ares Armor is the company in California that was raided by BATF several months ago, and they were trying to shut them down. I believe the court ruled in Ares Favor as they are still selling. I get emails from them everyday.

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Postby Hawkmoon » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:17 pm

Ares Armor is the company I was thinking of when I posted that the BATFE had shut them down. I wasn't aware that they had been vindicated in court. Do you have a link to any reliable source?

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Postby Sparky45 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:35 pm

Go to www.aresarmor.com. Appears they are indeed in business.

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Postby Hawkmoon » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:35 pm

Ares never went out of business, but the BATFE confiscated their entire inventory of polymer 80% lowers. I recall reading something about their filing a lawsuit to try to get them back, but I don't know if that has been resolved. While the polymer lowers mess was being fought in the legal arena, Ares continued to sell the stuff the BATFE didn't have problems with.

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Postby darwin » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:03 pm

I think they made lowers with 2 different colors of polymer. You just removed everything of one color. BATF claimed they were 100% lowers which had the voids filled in, and the company said they were built up starting with the part that would later be removed.

I would want an aluminum one anyway.

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Postby Hawkmoon » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:30 pm

darwin wrote:I think they made lowers with 2 different colors of polymer. You just removed everything of one color. BATF claimed they were 100% lowers which had the voids filled in, and the company said they were built up starting with the part that would later be removed.


Correct.

I would want an aluminum one anyway.


Sportsmans Guide is selling a kit, with the alloy lower and all the jigs. Not a bad price, especially since the jigs can be used multiple times once you have them. Their bare 80% lower sells for $90, so the jigs don't add that much.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/ ... ?a=1681932

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80% polymer ar lower racievers

Postby DOC H » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:31 pm

Is it true that these lowers are untraceable ? it would be nice to build something the feds can't take away. I built 2 M4s last year & loved the challenge . but if the KING gets his way, well you know where I'm going with this.

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Re: 80% polymer ar lower racievers

Postby Hawkmoon » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:33 pm

DOC H wrote:Is it true that these lowers are untraceable ? it would be nice to build something the feds can't take away. I built 2 M4s last year & loved the challenge . but if the KING gets his way, well you know where I'm going with this.


An 80% receiver (for an AR-15, AK-47, 1911, or whatever) is not considered a firearm and is therefore not required to have a serial number. The law allows the owner to complete the machining himself (this doesn't include dropping it off at Mike's machine Tool & Die to have it done), for his own personal use. Once you complete the machining, the receiver becomes a firearm, just like any completed receiver. The law does not require that the completed receiver have a serial number or maker's name and location marked on it. So in that sense I guess it is untraceable.

However, you can be fairly well assured that the federal government knows who is selling 80% receivers, and if the day of confiscation ever comes I'm sure the feds will go to the makers and vendors of these things and get a list of who they sold them to.

And if you ever decide to sell it, it can't be transferred without applying a serial number, the maker's name, and the maker's city and state.

http://www.shotgunnews.com/ask-the-guns ... 15-lowers/


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